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My maxxis tyres have settled in and ride quite nice now,and now go where they are pointed.I had a look and the yellow dots were not in line with the valves,and when they were new had no lines on the tread.The tyre fitters just slapped them on.Bob Jane traralgon for you.cheers

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  Hi fellow members,
           I just received an email from a Cooper's tyre distributor with information on treadwear rates.

  The lifeliner 225/70R15 has a wear rate of of 620 and tread depth of 8.7mm.

  The H/T 225/70R15 has a wear rate of 520 and tread depth of 9.5mm.

  They claim the lifeliner has around 19% more life than the H/T, both are supposed to have similar handling characteristics.

 Compared with the toyo's at 300 treadwear rate, the Coopers look the goods at a reasonable price. May be a few months before i need to make a decision, any feedback appreciated.

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Rated treadwear is a factor, another is also the overall cost per tyre, and another is the effects on fuel consumption, hence the reason I gave up my BFG All Terrains for performance road tyres.

Just because a tyre is the cheapest on the market doesn't mean it is value for money emoticon

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Just Fitted Cooper ATR's in the 225/70 R15 size to my Exy...

I had the original Toyo's on the car, which had about 6mm of tread left when I bought the car at 18,000Ks. The occasional bit of downpour started making me think about new tyres, as I think I would have had about 2 to 3mm left of tread, and I was slipping about the place at higher speeds. This was at 30,000Ks - so really not much life on the Toyos.

I've been thinking for a while what tyres to put on the car, and I thought the cooper's ATRs provided a tyre that was a bit of both worlds - it had the characteristics of an AT tyre, but also provided some decent road ability too (according to the literature on the cooper's website). I put the 225/70 on my 15" rims, which the tyre guy said won't be too much of a problem, and he knew I was already somewhat aware they were bigger tyres.

What was more interesting was that the tyre guy said the old Toyo's weren't that great a tyre to put on the X-trail. He was telling me that they were quite rounded, and hence would push further into soft sand than a squarer tyre would, like the ATRs I was getting. I could see the logic somewhat there, but I did wonder if he was just trying to make me feel better about my choice. I cast aside and ideas about the tyres being better etc...

My first experience wasn't good, I left work after getting the tyres fitted, and straight away just started spinning the front tyres badly when pulling out. The next day it was better, and I'm putting this down to the idea that they might have a coating on the tyres (as well as all those little 'furry' bits). Today they have behaved a lot better, including in the wet.

In fact I've found these tyres far far better than the Toyos were in the wet, but that might be a product of the different in tread depth.

I also had to take it out onto the soft stuff to really give it a try. I went to a area near me that I go on a bit to try things out or when I'm a little bored. There were parts in this section I found too soft, in which I would never of dream of taking the old tyres.

I took the new ATRs for a spin along my usual route, and they generally coped fine, but I did find they dug down a bit more (didn't lower the tyre pressures) and hence required a bit more power to get through than the toyos did. Then I decided to tackle the real soft stuff that the old Toyos would definately bog in. The ATRs responded wonderfully, with them just requiring me to put the foot down more as they ripped their way through the sand. I even came to a stop at one part in the softest of it all (Almost as soft as loose beach sand!) and then took off, and was able to drive out fine.

I then piled people into the car last night and went around this all again. Even with the extra weight and all it kept on going easily enough. Then I tackled a short soft sand hill with only moderate speed, and the Exy scrambled up this no problems and much to the surprise of all.

I think these tyres are great, and I think they'll match what I want out of the Exy, even though I'm trading in a small amount of road manners for better off-roading ability. I've also found that in the sand its just easier to put your foot down to get the car going than taking it easy.

As for on the road, as I said they are better in the wet than my Toyo's, but that all could depend on the limited tread the Toyo's had. Theres a bit of road noise that is noticable, but not overly load, and you'd generally only hear it if looking for it. Slightly less body roll in the car from the tyres, but you get more roll in the suspension now in my opinion. The grip is quite adequate, and I think I've got more grip with these tyres than I did with the Toyo's. Having said that, its still easy enough to get the wheels spinning with enough power.

Basically for anyone who wants versatility from their X-Trail, both on and off road, I would certainly say these are good tyres for that.

I'll post more info later about these tyres - particularly the change of fuel consumption and my opinions in a couple of weeks. I'm hoping to give the Exy a run down at the beach as well as in the hills to get some better ideas on its off-roading capability.
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Jalal,
 Any chance of running a poll to see what we are all using ?

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Jalal,
 Any chance of running a poll to see what we are all using ?



Sure. If you give me the criteria emoticon

I keep looking as this thread and scratching my head trying to find a way to summarise it somehow and make it easier to read and extract information from. but so far the possibilities are limited emoticon

Great review by the way Col


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I`ve got 215 65 R16 General Grabber AT2 tyres on.

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Sure. If you give me the criteria emoticon



1. Size (215/65R16, 225/70R15, etc)
2. Make (Bridgestone, Pirelli, BFG, General Grabber, Coopers)
3. Type (H/T, A/T, S/T, Road, M/T)

These are a start.
Others are probably in here somewhere.

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Maybe price paid and comments on your new tyres so far, (xtremly happy, happy, OK, ripped off.)

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OK Guys,

Thanks for the ideas, they're great and helped me form the basis of something that will be easy to read and follow.

I will soon be creating a trial thread and poll for tyres and the poll will only have tyre brands at the top.

The person making a vote and choosing a brand will be required to provide the following details as a follow-up reply in that thread:

1. Size
2. Tread Pattern
3. Cost
4. Level of satisfaction (incl. road noise, fuel impact and the like)

We need to be very careful not to turn the new thread into another 39 page monster with reviews, debates and the like, so it will be limited to having the above information displayed only and will be used as a point of reference.

The Poll Thread has now been created HERE

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