Color Grade Mismatch ~ at Runboard.com

PLEASE NOTE:.

WE'VE MOVED!
This board is now only here for archive purposes - No New Posts.
Our new home is Here.


See you at the new *improved* SYDNEYFCP forums!

(Be sure to register today as we cannot port membership over)

Sydney Final Cut Pro
 Color
  Color Grade Mismatch
Support
Search

runboard.com       Sign up (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?)


 
abrohier
Registered user
Global user

Registered: 02-2008
Posts: 6
Karma: 0 (+0/-0)
Reply | Quote
Color Grade Mismatch

Just wondering if any one out there knows why. When you are in Color and every thing looks good and you take it back to FCP the colour changes. Mismatch.

I am using Color 1.0.2 and DeckLink HD Pro (Single Link)
and we do most stuff as Blackmagic 8bit uncompressed (I hope this helps with diagnosis)

Cheers
13/Feb/2008, 2:08 pm Send Email to abrohier   Send PM to abrohier
 
cheesenightmare
Head Administrator
Global user

Registered: 10-2005
Posts: 876
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Avatar
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

Hi,

Sounds like we might need some more information.

Do you mean there is a slight change in to what you see or something quite dramatic?

Can you post a screenshot of your project in Color and in FCP to illustrate for us?

Thanks emoticon



---
Doug Suiter.
Freelance Director, Promos, Post & Creative.
LondonFCP/SydneyFCP Administrator.

Find Local FCP Operators (Sydney & London) at the FCP Talent Registry: www.FCPTalent.com
15/Feb/2008, 2:45 am Send Email to cheesenightmare   Send PM to cheesenightmare
 
abrohier
Registered user
Global user

Registered: 02-2008
Posts: 6
Karma: 0 (+0/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch


I hope this clears things up a tad. Also I was speaking to some body over the week end and they suggested that I use Apple 422. Though I am a little apprehensive, as I could not find the output in Color.

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image


Last edited by cheesenightmare, 18/Feb/2008, 5:48 pm
18/Feb/2008, 11:55 am Send Email to abrohier   Send PM to abrohier
 
cheesenightmare
Head Administrator
Global user

Registered: 10-2005
Posts: 876
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Avatar
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

I have altered your post so that the images appear in the forum rather than linking to facebook - could you tell us which grade is right and which is incorrect?




---
Doug Suiter.
Freelance Director, Promos, Post & Creative.
LondonFCP/SydneyFCP Administrator.

Find Local FCP Operators (Sydney & London) at the FCP Talent Registry: www.FCPTalent.com
18/Feb/2008, 9:16 pm Send Email to cheesenightmare   Send PM to cheesenightmare
 
SkiTroll
Registered user
Global user

Registered: 10-2005
Posts: 217
Karma: 0 (+0/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

How do you send the files from color back to fcp? As a "send to" or as xml? Also if you have broadcast safe on in fcp it may change the colours a tad

---
Merethe C. Rosvold

www.finalcutprogirl.com
London, UK
19/Feb/2008, 2:27 am Send Email to SkiTroll   Send PM to SkiTroll
 
cheesenightmare
Head Administrator
Global user

Registered: 10-2005
Posts: 876
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Avatar
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

I know that there have been issues with Color mismatches which may have WORSENED with version 1.02

This has been posted on the Podcast requesting further help.



---
Doug Suiter.
Freelance Director, Promos, Post & Creative.
LondonFCP/SydneyFCP Administrator.

Find Local FCP Operators (Sydney & London) at the FCP Talent Registry: www.FCPTalent.com
19/Feb/2008, 4:53 pm Send Email to cheesenightmare   Send PM to cheesenightmare
 
footagehead
Registered user
Global user

Registered: 11-2006
Posts: 217
Karma: 3 (+3/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

Hi abrohier
Color currently will only work with ProRes 422 and uncompressed formats.
All other formats will be ingested to Color by default as ProRes 422. This will induce colour shift when you view your corrected sequence in FCP 6.0. If you keep your FCP sequence as Blackmagic uncompressed, Apple uncompressed or ProRes 422 there will be no shift. Your sequence settings indicate that this sequence is in DVCPRO HD 1080i50 which will appear in Color as ProRes 422 HD standard 25. So you are using ProRes 422 by default with your current workflow.
My questions are:
Are you viewing your FCP output on a video monitor?
Are you viewing the FCP output in HD?

Best Regards
Footagehead
19/Feb/2008, 8:11 pm Send Email to footagehead   Send PM to footagehead
 
abrohier
Registered user
Global user

Registered: 02-2008
Posts: 6
Karma: 0 (+0/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

H there guys sorry to muck you around. I have just had an in depth discussion with my boss who is the actual one having the problem.

Please disregard the images posted previously as they were taken out context. And have found out what the real problem is.
The actual problem is in the monitoring.

The colour on the monitor in both applications is correct. The issue arises when we are looking at it on the video monitor. There is a difference of saturation.

To answer these questions:

Are you viewing your FCP output on a video monitor?
Are you viewing the FCP output in HD?
Yes to both

We are sending the file back to FCP and not using XML.
20/Feb/2008, 11:11 am Send Email to abrohier   Send PM to abrohier
 
footagehead
Registered user
Global user

Registered: 11-2006
Posts: 217
Karma: 3 (+3/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

Hi abrohier
thanks for the update. The next thing to ask is whether you have the Decklink 6.6.2 drivers installed. If you don't I'd suggest downloading them from the Blackmagic Design website.
Just to clarify our discussion I have extracted this info from the current Apple release notes for Color 1.02:
• In Color 1.0.2, graded source media rendered using one of the ProRes or Uncompressed codecs can be handled one of two ways when you send the project back to Final Cut Pro. After you choose the Send to Final Cut Pro command, you’re presented with a dialog that asks the following question: “Change graded Final Cut Pro sequence to match the QuickTime export codec?”
This dialog gives you the option to change the settings of the sequence that is sent back to Final Cut Pro to match the new codec and, in some cases, the new frame size of the graded media files that Color renders. When deciding whether or not to use this option, consider the following:
• If you click Yes to change the sequence settings to match the graded media rendered by Color, the codec used by the sequence will be changed from the one that was originally used. Also, the frame size of the sequence might change depending on the format of the source media. For example, high definition anamorphic media formats such as DVCPRO HD that use an anamorphic frame size of 1280 x 1080 will be rendered by Color with the full frame frame size of 1920 x 1080.
• If you click No, the settings of the sequence that Color sends back to Final Cut Pro will be identical to the sequence that was originally sent from Final Cut Pro to Color, but the codec and frame size of the media may be different.
• Important: If you click Yes to change the settings of the sequence that Color sends to Final Cut Pro, the frame size of clips that are not rendered by Color (including unsupported media such as generators, Motion projects and templates, still images, and freeze frames) or of media that was simply never added to the Render Queue remains the same size as in the original Final Cut Pro sequence. The result is that these unrendered clips will have a different frame size than the graded clips in the sequence. You will have to manually adjust these clips to make them match.
If you click No, the frame size of all clips in the sequence that Color sends to Final Cut Pro will remain the same as the original frame size of the sequence. In the case of anamorphic high definition media, such as that with a frame size of 1280 x 1080, Color still renders the graded media with a final frame size of 1920 x 1080, but each clip will appear in the Final Cut Pro sequence that is sent with its Aspect Ratio parameter adjusted in the Motion tab so that they match the sequence size.
Color is a very powerful system but you need to deploy it very carefully in your workflow. Your image saturation shift sounds codec related - you'll really notice the difference if your FCP sequence is HDV as this is a 4.2.0 colour space compared to the 4.2.2 that Color is based on - the minimum colour space that Color supports.

Hope this helps
Best Regards
footagehead

Last edited by footagehead, 20/Feb/2008, 3:52 pm
20/Feb/2008, 3:49 pm Send Email to footagehead   Send PM to footagehead
 
cheesenightmare
Head Administrator
Global user

Registered: 10-2005
Posts: 876
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Avatar
Reply | Quote
Re: Color Grade Mismatch

Footagehead - you sure can answer a question! emoticon




---
Doug Suiter.
Freelance Director, Promos, Post & Creative.
LondonFCP/SydneyFCP Administrator.

Find Local FCP Operators (Sydney & London) at the FCP Talent Registry: www.FCPTalent.com
20/Feb/2008, 5:49 pm Send Email to cheesenightmare   Send PM to cheesenightmare
 


Add a reply






Powered by AkBBS 0.9.5b  -  Link to us   -  Blogs   -  Hall of Honour   -  Chat
Click here to get your own free message board
Click here to log in! Its worth it :)(login)      Board's time is: 23/Nov/2009, 9:42 am
Back To Top