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Re: BREATHING SPACE. Organising a gig - what we're up against
I dont think you have anything to worry about, David. This is just The Truth of how things are for original bands nowadays. I dont think anything slanderous has been said here by anyone...... I mean, PTG hasnt posted yet! 
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Re: BREATHING SPACE. Organising a gig - what we're up against
On a more serious note. I think it is bad that you have been let down so many times through no fault of your own, and I hope that things pick up for you all very soon.
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Re: BREATHING SPACE. Organising a gig - what we're up against
On a less serious note, I am in a ceilidh band and it's not to difficult to get around £300.00 for playing at a wedding or £200.00 for a do at the local village hall 5 minutes walk down the road.
Perhaps Iain & co might like to consider a change of musical direction.
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Re: BREATHING SPACE. Organising a gig - what we're up against
On a similar note, Doogie White (singer with Rainbow, Yngwie, etc.) once announced on a forum that he was headlining at some small rock festival -- singing classic rock covers. When another forum member challenged him on how he had fallen so low to be just a covers act now, his answer was something like: "I can sing my own songs to 15 people and go home broke or sing covers to 1500 people and and pay the bills".
I guess everybody has a similar story.
(Doogie now has a new CD out and is touring Europe with his original material... Europe, not the UK, because UK promoters don't want to know  )
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Re: BREATHING SPACE. Organising a gig - what we're up against
Maybe a dumb question, but what is an "all dayer". Might be something British, and I might know it under a different name, but it sounds more like an "30 minuter"...
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An all-day event, with numerous bands all playing short slots?
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David Meadows wrote:
On a similar note, Doogie White (singer with Rainbow, Yngwie, etc.) once announced on a forum that he was headlining at some small rock festival -- singing classic rock covers. When another forum member challenged him on how he had fallen so low to be just a covers act now, his answer was something like: "I can sing my own songs to 15 people and go home broke or sing covers to 1500 people and and pay the bills".
I guess everybody has a similar story.
(Doogie now has a new CD out and is touring Europe with his original material... Europe, not the UK, because UK promoters don't want to know )
I'd love to know why Britain is so uniquely hostile to anything outside the 'post-punk orthodoxy'. While every country has is share of processed cheese pop, across the rest of Europe Rock and even Prog (which isn't a dirty word over there) still seems to have a decent-sized audience. Over here any new guitar-based music that isn't formulaic four-chord indie is completely marginalised.
Why?
Yes I know that melodic rock acts who were big in the 70s or 80s can still draw large audiences, as we saw with the recent Journey tour. But they seem to play to an audience (present company excepted) that's just into nostalgia, and doesn't seem to want to hear anything new.
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Kalyr wrote:
quote:
David Meadows wrote:
On a similar note, Doogie White (singer with Rainbow, Yngwie, etc.) once announced on a forum that he was headlining at some small rock festival -- singing classic rock covers. When another forum member challenged him on how he had fallen so low to be just a covers act now, his answer was something like: "I can sing my own songs to 15 people and go home broke or sing covers to 1500 people and and pay the bills".
I guess everybody has a similar story.
(Doogie now has a new CD out and is touring Europe with his original material... Europe, not the UK, because UK promoters don't want to know )
I'd love to know why Britain is so uniquely hostile to anything outside the 'post-punk orthodoxy'. While every country has is share of processed cheese pop, across the rest of Europe Rock and even Prog (which isn't a dirty word over there) still seems to have a decent-sized audience. Over here any new guitar-based music that isn't formulaic four-chord indie is completely marginalised.
Why?
Yes I know that melodic rock acts who were big in the 70s or 80s can still draw large audiences, as we saw with the recent Journey tour. But they seem to play to an audience (present company excepted) that's just into nostalgia, and doesn't seem to want to hear anything new.
Tim - spot on! My thoughts exactly.....
I find it such a shame that bands like The Reasoning, Karnataka, Magenta, MA, Pineapple Thief will never hit the mainstream as it' seems to be brushed aside. Like you say, the only 'bands' who seem to be lauded by the media (by that I mean a collective who write their own stuff & play) are the latest jangly 3-chord indie-ists who sing about arguing with birds outside chip shops (for example!) I find these bands utterly devoid of musicianship, originality or talent. Apparently this is 'hip'.
Like you say, Europe (& the US) are much better at supporting other genres. From a country that spawned Rock, Prog, 'white-boy' blues & Metal it's pretty sad state of affairs.
There are some bands that do shine through though....Iron Maiden are filling enormo-domes even today & without hardly any airplay in the UK.
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There are some bands that do shine through though....Iron Maiden are filling enormo-domes even today & without hardly any airplay in the UK.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of Steve Harris dedicated army of nutswingers might the proglord add that (although the musicianship is indubitably of a high standard) Iron Maiden fall, albeit in an unorthodox way, into the category thw weety entity describes since their music is enormously formulaic consisting as it seems to do solely of umpteen albums worth of reworkings of "Achilles Last Stand"......
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Re: BREATHING SPACE. Organising a gig - what we're up against
The type of music we all like has thrived for years with it's underground status. Since it has not been subject to the same judgment and scrutiny from the "trend brigade", it has been able to stay true to itself for the longest time. If the press just want to take the piss out of it all, then so be it.
It's a shame that some of these bands struggle to exist, but at least they DO exist and continue to create free from the pressure of writing songs about the chippy.
Long live the Underground.
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