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Mish-mash of styles? "Never the Rainbow", "Which Wood?", and "Mother Nature" -- that is a mish-mash of styles! By your definition it seems that they have always been directionless.
The mish-mash of styles is one of the things that I love about the band 
You see I would class "Out Of The Green Sky" from "Storms" as a complete mish-mash, verses totally off-kilter with the choruses, and to me it didn't work.
"Never The Rainbow" is a straight forward rock song, "Which Wood" a folky instrumental, and "Mother Nature" an evolving and ultimately climatic epic. However they all stay within the context of each piece, moving and evolving within the parameters of each. They were also part of an album which had a definite course of direction in my opinion.
That's about right. Those tunes all kept to the plot and didn't outstay their welcome at all. A lot of the new material goes on far too long, almost suggesting that they've been stretched out to fill a 70-odd minute CD.
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then its quality, not quantity
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Re: The first listen...
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HFoS is just a mess of ideas thrown together without much thought about how the pieces fit together.
Bearing in mind that this is not the final album, this is the album plus all the "spare" ideas that won't make the final album. It's perhaps fair to expect that they would (will) make a more balanced selection of songs and coherent running order if they were selecting just 10 tracks from the 18 we have now. I wonder how people's opinions would be different if they were hearing the single CD for the first time?
Of course, you people who hate all the songs will also hate any sub-set of them. Oh well...
the prog lord is confused it sounds like the meadows entity is defending this release by saying the band were correct to charge more money, up front, for a product which is worse than the one which will be available for less money.....
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HFoS is just a mess of ideas thrown together without much thought about how the pieces fit together.
Bearing in mind that this is not the final album, this is the album plus all the "spare" ideas that won't make the final album. It's perhaps fair to expect that they would (will) make a more balanced selection of songs and coherent running order if they were selecting just 10 tracks from the 18 we have now. I wonder how people's opinions would be different if they were hearing the single CD for the first time?
Of course, you people who hate all the songs will also hate any sub-set of them. Oh well...
the prog lord is confused it sounds like the meadows entity is defending this release by saying the band were correct to charge more money, up front, for a product which is worse than the one which will be available for less money.....
Good point. Are we expected (as faithful fans) to stump for a CD full of sub-par and rejected material masquerading as a second CD to the album and pay a great deal more for it?
I expected something along the lines of Marbles or Jerry Cantrell's Degradation Trip which were fully expanded double albums which had a different life than their single disc counterparts, not a thrown together collection of rejected material.
That's actually made me more angry about trusting MA to deliver a strong product at all.
As far as I'm concerned, I've learnt today that the double-disc version of the new album is an over-priced and underpackaged double CD version of an album which will supposedly be better in it's single disc format from a band who says that they don't care about the opinions of their small, but perfectly-formed fanbase. Is this the case, as if it is, I think that the rest of the fanbase should know about it...
But since we can't post anything vaguely negative anywhere near the official band web presence, we can't. There's always Classic Rock to write a letter to.
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One word springs to mind...
...B-Sides (or is that 2...or 1/2!!)
In the old days, any additional "spare" ideas would be left aside for single releases. Obviously not possible for a "niche" band such as MA, and in a "non-singles" market, hence the cd worth of "spares".
Interestingly, Magenta's last release "Home" was accompanied with a bonus EP of additional material and for...wait for it...£15. The single cd was £10, and if you wanted the EP on it's own (released 2 months later) it was £7.
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One word springs to mind...
...B-Sides (or is that 2...or 1/2!!)
In the old days, any additional "spare" ideas would be left aside for single releases. Obviously not possible for a "niche" band such as MA, and in a "non-singles" market, hence the cd worth of "spares".
Interestingly, Magenta's last release "Home" was accompanied with a bonus EP of additional material and for...wait for it...£15. The single cd was £10, and if you wanted the EP on it's own (released 2 months later) it was £7.
Another word springs to mind: "Rip-off".
I know that's two works hyphenated, but you get the point.
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To be fair, the second M disc is marketed as "never to be pressed again".
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To be fair, the second M disc is marketed as "never to be pressed again".
It should never be re-pressed anyway. If it's made up of what David Meadows says is rejected material, then it should not have been released as a final double album anyway unless it says on the packaging that it is a disc of sketches, as it were.
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Well, I have to sign off for today as I've gotta go. I'm sure many of you will be happy with this news. I'll catch you all tomorrow for more healthy debate!
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HFoS is just a mess of ideas thrown together without much thought about how the pieces fit together.
Bearing in mind that this is not the final album, this is the album plus all the "spare" ideas that won't make the final album. It's perhaps fair to expect that they would (will) make a more balanced selection of songs and coherent running order if they were selecting just 10 tracks from the 18 we have now. I wonder how people's opinions would be different if they were hearing the single CD for the first time?
Of course, you people who hate all the songs will also hate any sub-set of them. Oh well...
the prog lord is confused it sounds like the meadows entity is defending this release by saying the band were correct to charge more money, up front, for a product which is worse than the one which will be available for less money.....
Actually I was agreeing with grayebb (I hope he's sitting down when he reads that) by suggesting that it is in fact a "mess of ideas thrown together without much thought about how the pieces fit together" because they haven't got as far as the fitting-together stage yet. Just a hypothesis, I have idea if that's really how they approached it.
If they did take that that approach, is that an inherently bad thing? I don't know... consider: a lot of bands are currently putting out "expanded, remastered" editions of their classic albums, which have extra tracks. These extra tracks are the ones that 30 years ago were not considered good enough for the album. Now they are tacked on the end of the album with no thought about consistency or how they fit together. And fans lap this stuff up! What the hell? They're making us re-buy all their albums for stuff that 30 years ago was considered crap?
Er, sorry, totally lost the thread of my argument 
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