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MA are operating in a niche market they need to look after who they have
Exactly, there are other bands in this genre who could easily offer a better product and take away precious pounds from the MA budget. It would be a shame to see a band go under due to their over-inflated sense of self alienating fans. They cannot afford to upset fans.
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The proglord agress with grayebb, he speaks with the clear reasoned voice of one who has studied the ways of prog and the ways of music for many years. Even those on the more wayward edges of the progosphere must ensure the paying public are happy or else they can make their prog no longer. This is known in proglore as the Wakeman's Ice Tour theory.
To take our American friends argument a step further if after all Mr. Josh decided the artistic direction he wanted to take was to release a 4 hour triple CD consisting solely of recordings of his own flatulence and charge a (pro rate to this disc) price of £45 up front then Mostly Autumn would disappear beneath the waves pretty quickly once it came out....
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Regarding the price/packaging/pre-order issue, I have to say this isn't the first time that things have been said, and then contradicted.
An example was over the release of "Passengers".
Official website stated - buy pre-order cd and get bonus live cd (Canterbury set) in book-bound package delivered in May 2003, regular cd not to be released til September 2003.
I went to the 1st show on the Passengers tour at the Renfrew Ferry in Glasgow on 12th May (if my memory is correct), and bought, low and behold - the regular cd of the album!!! I wasn't complaining, but it contradicted the "official" line.
And since then I'm sure there's been other issues...the promised "live bootleg" series stopped after only 3 releases, the whole "Mostly Floyd" cherade...most, if not all, of which I put down to Classic Crock Re-Productions and the "scheming and slippery character" that is Mr B Carruthers (Robert Fripp's words, not mine).
Unfortunately at the moment I feel the band are directionless (the mish-mash of styles described on the new album seems to bear witness to that). They need a good manager, from outwith the MA family, to steer them in, what is a rudderless ship at present, be brutally honest with them, and get them the exposure they deserve.
Which raises a valid question in my mind...
...why are the band still playing the same size of venues? By now they should have moved up a league. Something's not right in my opinion, and therefore something which should be moving forward is going nowhere.
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The proglord agress with grayebb, he speaks with the clear reasoned voice of one who has studied the ways of prog and the ways of music for many years. Even those on the more wayward edges of the progosphere must ensure the paying public are happy or else they can make their prog no longer. This is known in proglore as the Wakeman's Ice Tour theory.
To take our American friends argument a step further if after all Mr. Josh decided the artistic direction he wanted to take was to release a 4 hour triple CD consisting solely of recordings of his own flatulence and charge a (pro rate to this disc) price of £45 up front then Mostly Autumn would disappear beneath the waves pretty quickly once it came out....
An extreme example, but totally on the money. What's to stop an artist releasing something totally unreasonable like that and saying "if you're a true fan, you'll love it"?
By paying upfront for anything, you put some trust in the artist to produce something that you want to buy. I think that by getting paid for something like a selection of music upfront, you have a responsibility to produce the best work you can AND something appropriate to the client's (as you are in a commision) expectations.
"Wakeman's Ice Tour theory"... Genius! "I paid to see a spectacular show with knights and battles and I got three blokes on ice skates and hobby horses pretending to be King Arthur and some pissed-up keyboard wizard in a shiny cape...
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release a 4 hour triple CD consisting solely of recordings of his own flatulence
An extreme example,
the proglord thought the entity grayebb had heard the latest album?
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release a 4 hour triple CD consisting solely of recordings of his own flatulence
An extreme example,
the proglord thought the entity grayebb had heard the latest album?
The proglord's wisdom is great. 
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Unfortunately at the moment I feel the band are directionless (the mish-mash of styles described on the new album seems to bear witness to that).
Mish-mash of styles? "Never the Rainbow", "Which Wood?", and "Mother Nature" -- that is a mish-mash of styles! By your definition it seems that they have always been directionless.
The mish-mash of styles is one of the things that I love about the band
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Unfortunately at the moment I feel the band are directionless (the mish-mash of styles described on the new album seems to bear witness to that).
Mish-mash of styles? "Never the Rainbow", "Which Wood?", and "Mother Nature" -- that is a mish-mash of styles! By your definition it seems that they have always been directionless.
The mish-mash of styles is one of the things that I love about the band
Having a "mish-mash" of styles is fine, and true prog bands can do this as a matter of course. That's what the genre is about. But HFoS is just a mess of ideas thrown together without much thought about how the pieces fit together.
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Mish-mash of styles? "Never the Rainbow", "Which Wood?", and "Mother Nature" -- that is a mish-mash of styles! By your definition it seems that they have always been directionless.
The mish-mash of styles is one of the things that I love about the band
You see I would class "Out Of The Green Sky" from "Storms" as a complete mish-mash, verses totally off-kilter with the choruses, and to me it didn't work.
"Never The Rainbow" is a straight forward rock song, "Which Wood" a folky instrumental, and "Mother Nature" an evolving and ultimately climatic epic. However they all stay within the context of each piece, moving and evolving within the parameters of each. They were also part of an album which had a definite course of direction in my opinion.
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HFoS is just a mess of ideas thrown together without much thought about how the pieces fit together.
Bearing in mind that this is not the final album, this is the album plus all the "spare" ideas that won't make the final album. It's perhaps fair to expect that they would (will) make a more balanced selection of songs and coherent running order if they were selecting just 10 tracks from the 18 we have now. I wonder how people's opinions would be different if they were hearing the single CD for the first time?
Of course, you people who hate all the songs will also hate any sub-set of them. Oh well...
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