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pandapop
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
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I'm enjoying this show episode by episode and it's fun to guess who will end up with who and who we want to end up with who. But we have lots of episodes to watch before we come to the end.
I'd like to know what is the importance of knowing how this show will end?
I agree with you totally, Jazy. It’s the JOURNEY that we take together with all the characters, that’s more meaningful for me. And along the way, there are ups and downs. Last night’s episode (Friday,# 42) was so emotionally- charged. I had a roller coaster ride, it almost felt like that. I like the ride more than knowing how it ends.
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
class blockquote Jasy wrote:
...it's fun to guess who will end up with who and who we want to end up with who. But we have lots of episodes to watch before we come to the end. I'd like to know what is the importance of knowing how this show will end? Personally, I do not like knowing what is coming and never want to know the ending until it arrives on my TV screen.
However, to other viewers knowing the ending in advance is just as important to them as my "not knowing" is important to me. It enhances their enjoyment of the drama. For some, it reduces their stress. For others, they may not want to bother watching a long drama that is going to end in a way they find dissatisfying. Some people read the last pages of a novel before they begin chapter one. (Why do some people like vanilla ice cream and others prefer chocolate? Is one preference better than the other?)
If someone posts a real spoiler (Pali's comment about the official photos is not a spoiler), then the poster must class reveal  class spoiler cover it with the spoiler icon... , as I have done here as an example. Then it is the responsibility of each reader to either view the spoiler or refrain from viewing it.
Some people prefer to send and receive PMs (private messages) for spoilers to avoid upsetting people who don't want to be "spoiled" yet cannot resist uncovering the spoiler anyway and reading it.
How to read a covered spoiler...
There are two different ways to view a spoiler protected comment, depending on which browser you use on your computer. With some browsers, if you hover your mouse over the smiley icon sign, the covered text becomes visible. With other browsers, you must click and drag over the covered area and the text will become highlighted. But in either case, clicking and dragging will reveal the spoiler protected text.
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
class p Episode 42 (Friday) - Deleted Scenes
After Groomie runs after LB.... class ul Back inside the apartment, everyone is silent. M-Grams, having packed her bag, is still sitting against the closet, wondering what to do next. In the living room, Taesik stands over the distraught, silently crying M-Ja as TG rubs her back and arm in consolation. Bubs is leaning against the wall, head in hands, his eyes closed. Grams beside him, begins crying as she starts talking softly to comfort and encourage him. He goes into industrial strength babydom, falling into her arms and crying.
Groomie returns from chasing after LB. He sits down beside his mother. Both she and Taesik ask him questions. ? class center *****LB runs to Jisu's apartment.... class ul As he approaches, Jiung is entering. Wants to know what he's doing there, I guess. LB asks for Jisu. Jiung looks at his watch and gets on LB's case for coming over so late at night. [I hope someone will share this scene with us.] Then Jiung gets himself worked up and I'm guessing he's telling LB to stay away from his sister. He goes on at length. Finally, LB bows his head, turns around and walks away. While he's walking, Jiung continues yelling critical words at him.
Jiung walks into the apartment and starts lecturing Jisu. Finally, he mentions LB having been there. Jisu shoves Jiung out of her way and runs out. Jiung is yelling at her as she goes, causing Prof and Miae to come out of their rooms. Prof asks what's going on. I get the feeling Jiung criticizes Jisu to Prof. Prof looks concerned but doesn't say or do anything.
Outside, Jisu looks around for LB, then runs off towards the park.
Back inside, Jiung starts badmouthing LB, but Prof sides with Jisu and LB. Jiung doesn't like what his father is saying because he considers LB to be a low-life that he wants to stay away from his sister. Prof discounts Jiung again. But Jiung keeps arguing more sternly with his father about the impropriety of this relationship and being out at night together, probably. Again Prof tells Jiung to let it go and walks away to his room.
Jiung is left with his mouth hanging open... Miae slaps him hard on the arm and drags him off to their room. Over in Prof's room, he looks serious and is concerned. Jiung has succeeded in planting the seed...
The evil wheels are turning as Miae hatches a new scheme in the room with Jiung. class center *****Over at the park.... class ul Jisu is running and calling LB's name. He is lying down on a bench. She runs up to him and he stands. He's doubly beaten down now, both from home and from Jisu's brother. Then the scene goes into where we saw it; he puts his jacket around her.... class center *****LB packs a bag... class ul Groomie comes into the bedroom and LB says he's leaving for work. He walks out of the room. Then there is a scene of him in the kitchen alone with M-Ja. She is cooking him a nice breakfast, which he is eating. Then he stops and smiles at her and says something very loving to her. (?) She smiles warmly and touches him. He says something else to her from his heart with a warm smile. (The next shot is of him outside the building, looking back at his family's apartment. I have the feeling his words to M-Ja were his goodbye—I hope I am wrong.) class center *****
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
Having watched the belittling and rejection that orphans receive on these dramas it makes me wonder how and why this reaction towards these young people/children etc. developed. It is certainly no fault of their own that they are without birth parents...and I understand the importance placed on family blood line but this treatment is so cruel. the only consolation I get is the fact that at least this drama portrays the "adopted" parents as very loving and kind towards LB.
Jiung is really a piece of work..how could he have possibly grown up in the same family as Jisu and her dad!
Bio Grams appears to have a lot of wisdom and clarity about life and how to handle situations, however, her abandonment of her children has made her credibility with them to be fair to poor. It will take a lot of episdoes for her value to really become apparent to them.
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5/12/2007, 8:52 pm
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K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
Happy Mothers Day to all the Moms out there!
Nchristi, I would guess that the majority of people who put the time into watching a very long drama wouldn't want to know the ending of the story.
In my post I never called it a spoiler. I called it a hint, which is a statement conveying information in an indirect fashion, a clue.
Preferring vanilla or chocolate ice cream as an example doesn't really pertain to this topic because it doesn't affect anybody else. Hinting the end of a drama does.
I've no doubt that some people check out the end of a book or weekly drama, and that's fine. But why hint at what may be the real ending of a show knowing it can spoil it for someone else?
Actually, I think one preference is better than the other in a story, knowing or not knowing the ending. The writer doesn't write his story so that we read the end, than work our way back to page one. But to each his own.
I just said that to hint at something (promo picture) that the story may end like the characters are pictured (which may in all likely be true) ruins it for those who never thought of it. I stand by my statement.
I know that anything can be written here as long as it's not a spoiler. I just don't prefer the cart before the horse.
Back to the story...I never even thought of the possibilty that Jiung would interfere in Jisu's personal life. I think there is going to be a lot of sadness with this story line now. I hope LB doesn't push Jisu away. I think it will be a very long, hard road for LB.
Have a nice day everyone!
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5/13/2007, 4:26 am
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
While I admit that I've only tuned in to about 2/3 of the episodes of the series thus far, I've still yet so see anything near the kind of behavior that seems to raise so much aversion regarding the character of Eunha. With our knowledge of the patterns that have played out through previous programs, we are all aware that there is something building and that the outcome will produce pain and confusion, but there is much about this character that I find likeable and look forward to her appearance on the screen.
At this point, I am fully in agreement that Bubs (a completely despicable character), Grams (foul, abrasive, and vindictive beyond belief), and RM (quietly cunning, slyly sweet and condescending, and much akin to the manner of the wicked witch in Snow White) should all be voted off the island. The show’s theme allows that certain “fallen” characters grow to recognize what is really just and important in life and we, as the audience, are invited to ride along on the bumpy road, tracking their progress and lack there of until we reach the final resolution. While it’s natural for each of us to choose up sides, we've still yet to see all of the evidence.
It is these wretched characters that will be carried through the metamorphosis at the show's end, and, while being very much repulsed by their current behavior patterns, we are getting to glimpse into the reasons behind each one's state of imbalance.
This is how I see each one:
Eunha: Delicate and sweet in nature; spoiled and insecure due to nurture. We'll all make up with her by the end of the show. (Though I'm aware that I'm looking at her through the eyes of a male and that women are without doubt a better judge of other women than I can ever be. It's the guys that you tend to need help with!!)
Grams: Mad as cat that has just been tossed in a pail of water due in part to the situation that arose when M-Grams showed up and made her wonder about the bond between her two adopted kids and herself. She also has issues about her ex-husband and has had to struggle each day to get by which makes her very defensive about what she has and finds little to like about those who have seemingly had things so easy.
Bubs: Doted on and spoiled by Grams (resulting in him taking on most of personality traits), insecure about his actual worth when compared to others (Especially those that share none of his inadaquacies), and hurting throughout his entire being over his estrangement from his former wife and children.
Rich Mom: The character with the longest bridge to cross and the 'Typhoid Mary" of her own family. Somewhere along the line, her husband realized the futility of grappling with her passive-aggressive tendencies and moved his person from the icy chill that surrounded her and into the warmth of his den. She's putting the same type of curse on her two daughters that mother from "River" attempted to do (with some success) probably due to some past event that has yet to be identified.
P.S. To make a long story even longer: The Professor’s son and DIL defy description. Other than the fact they are parents to a newborn baby, the two appear to have nothing positive to offer to anyone, including each other.
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
I've been taking a bit of a break--sometimes it's difficult to watch these if I get too wrapped up in all the emotions. And Grams and Bub are so unpleasant right now. Still, I've watched every night, mostly, but haven't had a chance to read all the comments here.
I think that LB is leaving again. Even though M-ja and Taesik are really in his corner, he just can't handle Grams and now Jiung. I was surprised at Jisu, thought sure she felt the same for him as he does for her. Perhaps they plan on bringing back RBF. That was the most realistic family fight I think I've ever seen on one of these daily dramas.
Jiung is henpecked, but he seems to have chosen a wife after his own image, or perhaps it's a wife who has made him over into her image. To be fair, Jisu and her dad were living more like what you'd expect from an American family, not a Korean family, so DIL has some reason to be upset, although her reaction seems more mean-spirited than culturally correct.
I have a question about an episode something like last Monday--Groomie is at work, and his boss (?) hands him some work that is outside his usual job. It seemed that the boss was saying Groomie had been doing a good job and the new work was a way to rise in the company, but Groomie seemed upset that he had to do it. Did I misunderstand? Groomie seems to be someone who likes to please others, so it seemed strange that he didn't want to do the work.
The flashback scene between Groomie and Bridie was sure eye-opening. Still, I think the sad one in that relationship is Bridie--she's the one that doesn't understand what was going on.
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
robbo4 - "I've still yet so see anything near the kind of behavior that seems to raise so much aversion regarding the character of Eunhu."
Eunju or Eunha? class blockquote hyena wrote:
I have a question about an episode something like last Monday--Groomie is at work, and his boss (?) hands him some work that is outside his usual job. It seemed that the boss was saying Groomie had been doing a good job and the new work was a way to rise in the company, but Groomie seemed upset that he had to do it. Did I misunderstand? Groomie seems to be someone who likes to please others, so it seemed strange that he didn't want to do the work. He is being sent on a project to JJ, which I believe is Eunju's company, thus Groomie's trying like everything to get out of the assignment.
Jasy, I apologize. I thought your original question was seeking understanding of other opinions, not simply a rhetorical one. My response was intended as nothing other than an objective presentation of the options I could think of—not an argument against your position or a personal attack on your personal preferences.
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
O.K. I think I've got her name down, finally. (I wonder how many kids come running when Mom calls one of them in to answer the phone in these families that have so many similar names?) I meant Eunha, the little sister who is infatuated with LB. She seems immature and lonely to me, but I haven't judged her to be mean or anti-social like her mother and sister are. I know the switch may flip any time as she's received such poor maternal guidence, but as of yet, she seems to be very much like most teenagers, (which is what she is emotionally) that is; she's confused, self-loathing, and impetuous.
At least she hasn't gotten any piercings or tattoos!
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