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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
OC is the 'Old Cow' granny that got so upset over her daughter making cow bone soup for LB.
Now, I dislike OC even more!! MG is bio mother to Bubs and LB's mom (gotta get a name for her). But it appears that OC is the bio mother TG. So that just puzzles me even more. You'd think OC would be compassionate and understanding about her daughter loving LB. She herself loves LB's mother but she isn't her bio daughter.
Also, what's up with MG? She had already seen her daughter and had hid from her on that one occasion so her daughter wouldn't recognize her. Yet, she played it off as a total coincidence that she ran into her at her restaurant. And she's playing it off well. She's too ill, weak, whatever to leave their house now. And I'm sorry but I think it wasn't that man's place to take MG home to introduce her to her bio son.
I may change my mind later because, at first, I really liked MG, but I'm not sure I care for her now. She seems sneaky to me right now.
Then I tried to put myself in her place. Maybe she is just an old lady who is getting close to the end of her life and she would like to see and know the two children she walked away from. Maybe she has a need to be forgiven by them so she can leave this world in peace.
I also understand OC's jealousy on this one. She has been the mother all these years and then someone steps up to take her place. Even though MG isn't there (???) to take anyone's place I can understand how OC can see it that way.
So Jisu made a final decision with RBF. She doesn't want the kind of life that she'd have with him if they marry. She wants a man that she can love his entire family, not just him. I can't see RBF's entire family ever changing so we'll have to see if he is gonna be out of the picture or what.
At first I didn't care much for RBF (because I had already set my mind on LB and Jisu being together). But RBF does seem like a really nice person. I wonder if I'm gonna be confused and wishy washy about this. Probably.
Poor TG. I feel so sorry for her. She's carried the torch for Prof for so long. She finally kinda told him how she feels. He is 100% aware of her feelings for him and now he's gonna let her have it. He's taking her to coffee so he can tell her NO WAY.... Right? How can he do that. They are so cute together.
All I can figure is that the Prof is driven by guilt. He has a son (somewhere) and is a grandfather already. His daughter still lives at home but he's raised his children. He's done having children. And, he's been alone so long he's content with his life. He cares for TG but he also knows she is 'waiting' for him. She's 38 and running out of time to have her own family. He now thinks she should find someone who can give her what she deserves, soon...
I saw previews showed the new bride telling groomie that the pills are birth control. I suppose that will be a blow to him. I am on HER side with this one. Maybe it is best to hold off having children as soon as you marry. She has a career. Maybe she would like to wait a couple years before starting a family. I see nothing wrong in that.
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3/30/2007, 6:19 am
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I feel sorry for the RBF. He has tried to break from the rude, snobby rich family mold only to be rejected on the grounds of his rude, snobby family. His family may become his "thorn" or curse...all the girls that he would be attracted to and their honorable, loving, kind personalities will be put off by his family. He needs a Gukwha in his life LOL
It is so hard for me to imagine how any mother can just abandon her children and not contact them for years. It is no wonder the children were told that she was dead. She should have remained out of their lives if the initial cause of her absence was her fault...her returning now is purely for selfish gain. Hasn't she hurt her children enough?
It makes me think of Dchill on ICP...that girl needs to contact her bio children no matter what anyone else says and let them know the truth and how much she still loves them. I don't see how she can possibly sleep at night.
there seems to be a dual standard with regards to children that we see displayed in these dramas. I hope it isn't true and widespread throughout Korea. I agree there are consequences to wrong choices but the children shouldn't have to pay the greater price.
Good points about the Prof. and his stage in life, but how sad for TG...my question is, why has she waited so long to make her feelings known...20 years...that's a lot of waiting. I can understand her holding back while he was married, but after his wife's death...hasn't she been gone a long time?
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3/30/2007, 7:54 am
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
curlycarrot, about 3 or 4 years ago, my Korean friend told me that illegitimate children are held responsible for the sins of their parents. Until recently, Koreans had one of the worst records when it came to adopting orphans--the majority were adopted outside the country rather than in Korea. The culture has a very strong belief in the male blood line, and wants only children who perpetuate the blood line.
Some of this is changing. Was it last year or perhaps the year before when the legislature changed the registry rules about adopted children and children of divorced parents? Huge change. It was a major topic in the drama Yellow Handkerchief, for which YH won an award. I also read recently that statistics seem to indicate that more orphaned children are being adopted inside the country, but the article also said that it might be an artifact. My Korean friend also told me that earlier this year the government temporarily stopped adoptions outside the country because of demand for children. Hard to tell.
Several of the last daily dramas have had adopted children as part of the plot. I think OC represents the traditional, conservative way of thinking, that adopted children (whether legally adopted or not) are not part of the family, and have very little status. The LB character has already mentioned not feeling part of the family because he's not a biological child of his parents, and certaiinly Groomie never mentioned LB to his bride. I know many of you like Groomie (mostly because you like to look at him LOL), but he's a prude as far as I'm concerned. Can you imagine not mentioning LB to your bride to be? He's got major hangups.
Well, for MG, remember she sat in the park and said she was being stupid and was going to go for it--something along those lines. I think she has lots of money (remember the check at the wedding). She's known who these people are for some time. I can't figure out the whole "why" of her actions, though. I think she may be the "sick" one in this one--she's dying, so she's going to know the kids whatever grief it causes them. (This mystery plot line is used to keep people coming back! Ha! I may know what they're doing, but I'll watch anyway!!  )
As for TG and the Prof, I'll bet they finally get together, but we'll have to wait 160 episodes before all is well.  (That's OK--I get to watch Yo sup ssi  )
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3/30/2007, 8:22 am
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
class blockquote pali wrote:
I don't know what "OC" refers to. I think, there is more to the family disliking LB."OC" also refers to Orange County here in SoCal, upon which the TV show "The OC" was based.
I think it would be helpful for many of our members and readers for us to continue using clear references for our character nicknames for a while. As we can see, it gets quite confusing using only the acronyms. Because of that, I will at least once in a paragraph try to give the real name or identifier along with the acronym: "Muyeong (LB)", or MysteryGrams (MG), etc. class blockquote TTEE wrote:
did they reveal why mujeong was adopted? and what's LB?"LB" stands for "Lost Boy." This is the nickname that some of us are using for Muyeong. Also, you asked about his being adopted. So far, we have not been shown his story, only that his mother left him with the Kims and said she would be back in a day or so. She never came back for him, so the Kims adopted him but decided not to change his last name. A couple episodes ago, the Kims said they regretted not having changed Muyeong's last name to Kim. That's about all we know of his background.
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3/30/2007, 1:38 pm
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
class p Episode 11 (Thurs) - Deleted Scenes
Jaedu (RichDad) returns home from meeting with Prof... class ul His wife greets him at the door, then turns to leave. He stops her and pulls out a backscratcher like Prof had received from Tango Girl. He pulls out the telescoping "hand" and demonstrates to her how it works. He has bought one for himself, too. RichMom doesn't know what to think. But, since she won't allow her husband to even touch her to scratch her back, I guess he solved the problem for both of them!
Next she is sitting with him while he eats his dinner at the table. She's not happy or friendly. She's just "there," a dutiful wife serving dinner to her husband. They talk for a while, but it seems the usual... each thinking the opposite about whatever they are discussing. He finishes eating, stands up and begins to excuse himself. She says something to him and he speaks to her in that ultra-polite, phoney way he employs with her. He bows to her slightly, almost like a servant excusing himself from the Queen's presence. He leaves. RichMom sits there, again not knowing what to make of her husband. She talks to herself, then looks after him, puzzled at him. class center *****Eunhwa running out of the Academy building to her mother waiting in the car... class ul RichMom hands Eunhwa her lunch. Looks as though she tells her mother not to come pick her up after class. She runs back into the classroom where Muyeong is eating a sandwich and a carton of milk.
 class ul Eunhwa grabs the sandwich out of his mouth practically and starts eating it herself. She shoves her lunch box over to him, telling him to eat. He objects. She hits him so hard on the shoulder while he's taking a swig of milk that he spills it all over himself. She happily chatters away while he is basically annoyed by her. class center *****Myeong-Tae massages MysteryGrams' legs... class ul Alone together, MG says something to M-Tae that seems to scare/worry him. OC-Grams sits in her room worrying... class center *****Groomie comes into the restaurant to visit his mother, Myeongja.
My guess is he's unhappy about both his uncontrollable wife and with living at RichMom's. Myeong-Ja (M-Ja) listens and encourages him... probably to stick with it... everything will work out eventually.
Groomie calls Eunju at home. She's happy to hear from him. class center *****Screen caps courtesy of Luv of soompi.
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3/30/2007, 2:43 pm
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
Well, it is a good thing I don't make my living reading the future, because I was WAY wrong about Mystery Granny. I was right that she was looking for someone from her past, but after last night's episode, I think maybe she is "Sneaky Granny" instead. 
I still stand on all my other predictions though!!! Well, at least until I am proven wrong on those too. 
Hyena & nsheldon, I think you have both hit on a point I have believed for a long time. I don't think we are just watching simple, frivolous soap operas here, but are instead watching the gradual change of an ancient culture. What has been traditional and often sacred in Korean society are now topics of change portrayed in a manner through these dramas that people can relate to and begin to accept.
In these shows I see reinforcement of personal values, respect to others, and gracious manners. But I also see the loosening of constraints for showing affection. Like when Professor Hunk quietly and lovingly put his arms around his daughter last night when she said she was OK, but he knew she really wasn't. In Bizarre Bunch & Pure in Heart couples held hands in public. Onscreen kisses just didn't happen. A few years ago, these simple acts of open affection were almost unknown in Asian television.
In just the few years since I first got hooked on my first Korean drama, Yellow Handkerchief, I have seen that the presumption a woman is expected to quit her job when she marries is changing. The older characters still presume a bride will no longer work outside the home, but look how many of our heroines choose, and even insist on working. If they do not work, it is because the bride & groom made that decision between themselves. Heck, these girls can't even cook any better than me!
Hyena's and nsheldon's point about the old stigmas of adoption, that bio parents gave up the hope of ever seeing their children afterward, that adopted children are less than anyone else, are very good observations.
Yellow Handkerchief reminded me how women were viewed this country when they became pregnant without mariage, until our society began to change more sympathetically in the 50's & 60's. I believe it is still a very serious issue in Korea, but the fact that it was addressed openly in this sensitive & highly rated program is not an everyday occurrance.
I applaud the characters of Jongnam and now Lost Boy for portraying people who have the personal strength to overcome the cloud of illigitimacy they have lived under. Even Gukwa was somewhat isolated in her community simply for not having a family.
I applaud the young characters in these contemporary dramas, like Suky & Snowcone, who are torn between respect for their parents, even when the parents insist on following the tradition of making marriage deals for their children based on class and social connections, while the 'children' fight to marry for love.
Now it is Sky & Earth. I really like this show already, and I am watching it for the fun twists & turns, the secrets and the surprises, and the beautiful people, but I also like seeing what I've always felt, that people in places so very far, far away really are no different than me. Just a lot younger.
OK. I'm off my soapbox now. Sorry for the unsolicited cultural anthropology lesson.
Back to the show - I am going out now to buy champagne, satin sheets, and something slinky to wear - you know, just in case Professor Hunk doesn't propose to Tango Girl.  I am soooo going to be ready when he calls!
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3/30/2007, 10:46 pm
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Re: K-Drama: 하늘만큼 땅만큼 (As Much As Heaven and Earth/High as the Sky, Wide as the Earth)
I really like the dad for showing his compassion to MG despite the protests within the household. MG surely has an agenda, but it may be that she's just lonely and need to have a family at this time in her life. Both LB and TG seem compassionate while the older woman feel, with some justification, suspicious and put out. The brother/uncle just seems to be a dim-wit. We've got a good story brewing here and also in other areas, as well.
I can't figure out how the newly married couple got as far as marraige without the husband knowing the woman he was marrying. If she was living in the States, this chick would be called Ms. Something-Whatever. Face it Bud, your married to a very attractive alpha-female. You can carry her boxes for her, but she ain't gonna carry your baby for you. (At least, not yet!)
Finally, in what kind of universe does the daughter of a University professor lack the social status of a CEO? Does money and luxory trump all cards, or do these women just fear that they'll be out-matched by a person who actually does come with a superior level of etiquette and intelligence?
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3/31/2007, 7:51 am
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